tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post6529356679358998718..comments2024-03-08T13:21:43.158-05:00Comments on Saideman's Semi-Spew: Canada Might Have Undercurrent of Anti-AmericanismSteve Saidemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09881915512311951902noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-15585696669398721982010-12-03T06:15:04.270-05:002010-12-03T06:15:04.270-05:00Charles, I should have pointed out where in the pa...Charles, I should have pointed out where in the past I have spent time blasting 9/11 truther conspiracy theory rather than just stated that such stuff is crap: http://saideman.blogspot.com/2010/05/quick-response-to-conspiracy-folks-out.html. Thanks for the suggestion.Steve Saidemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881915512311951902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-37470235382882462302010-12-02T23:49:43.127-05:002010-12-02T23:49:43.127-05:00...is presented to us. 3rd line
Charles Cote...is presented to us. 3rd line<br />Charles CoteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-10292693547607662372010-12-02T23:48:36.221-05:002010-12-02T23:48:36.221-05:00M. Saideman, you seem to be a reasonable man. Je s...M. Saideman, you seem to be a reasonable man. Je suis Québécois. I dont think it is bad to be critical or skeptical about any kind of information or facts that is presented to the us. What you define as "folks elsewhere" refers to whom exactly? Europeans? Iranians? South Americans? and by using terms like "crap" to define views on an event like 911 seem to be a little immature for a McGill academist like you.<br />A good International relation analyst, therefore someone who should have a good knowledge of historical methodology should be a little bit more careful about the words he chooses. But keep going :)<br />CharlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-20558541565350869682010-12-02T18:50:12.927-05:002010-12-02T18:50:12.927-05:00So I can't start my new article on the US-Cana...So I can't start my new article on the US-Canada rivalry? Damn...Brandon Valerianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12921918750617372556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-91845348823019102822010-12-02T14:35:48.235-05:002010-12-02T14:35:48.235-05:00Sam: You will find more ordinary Quebeckers who fi...Sam: You will find more ordinary Quebeckers who find the 9/11 conspiracy arguments to be believable than folks elsewhere. I have had a number of conversations with people who are, otherwise, pretty reasonable who have fallen for such crap.<br /><br />Jacob: Yes, Montrealers (perhaps not all Quebeckers) simply assume one moves to Montreal because it is terrific. I didn't think about where the Canadians came from when they asked me about my flight from Bush, but you are probably correct.Steve Saidemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881915512311951902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-51298178525512447022010-12-02T14:11:36.787-05:002010-12-02T14:11:36.787-05:00"But I do ponder this: if one uses percentage..."But I do ponder this: if one uses percentage of folks who buy into the 9/11 conspiracy crap as a metric of anti-Americanism, wouldn't Quebec have as high or higher level? Of course, that would be a questionable measure, since loony and anti-Americanism overlap but are not identical."<br /><br />The way I'd characterize it is this: the loony fringe is loonier here, and maybe a little larger, than in ROC. And on questions having to do with Israel and the Middle East, Quebec opinion is to the left of ROC. <br /><br />But the tail isn't the whole distribution. I think the median Quebecker, especially the median francophone Quebecker, simply cares much less about the US as a point of contrast than does the median ROCer. I'm sure it's true if you compare Montrealers to folks from Toronto and Vancouver.<br /><br />People in Montreal assume I moved to Montreal because Montreal is awesome. People in ROC will casually assume that I moved to Canada for the health care (scoff) and to flee the fascism of the Bush regime, or something.Jacob T. Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02575549001627195334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-1290230337822815882010-12-02T10:18:40.710-05:002010-12-02T10:18:40.710-05:00Wait, what? I don't necessarily object to anyt...Wait, what? I don't necessarily object to anything in particular, but what is this about Quebec and 9/11 conspiracies?Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-4716544228718216572010-12-02T09:51:34.322-05:002010-12-02T09:51:34.322-05:00Quebec has lots of virtues (great food to name one...Quebec has lots of virtues (great food to name one, heaps of lingerie stories in every mall to name another)... but I guess I might have conflated all Canadians into this. Jacob, you have a better sense of the diversity of views across Canada. I have been tone deaf to such variation. <br /><br />Quebec's identity does have the virtue of reducing the necessity to define themselves in terms of not being Americans. And that matters.<br /><br />But I do ponder this: if one uses percentage of folks who buy into the 9/11 conspiracy crap as a metric of anti-Americanism, wouldn't Quebec have as high or higher level? Of course, that would be a questionable measure, since loony and anti-Americanism overlap but are not identical. One can buy into conspiracy crap w/o being really anti-American.Steve Saidemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881915512311951902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8446351548038522890.post-33829798520301982102010-12-02T09:37:37.189-05:002010-12-02T09:37:37.189-05:00I know that you're reluctant to concede Quebec...I know that you're reluctant to concede Quebec's virtues on any front, but I think there's a real difference between the amount of anti-Americanism we encounter here and what we might in the ROC. <br /><br />You're broadly right about how serious it is even there. But Quebec's identity struggles are all inward or else directed against ROC; there's no impulse to define themselves against America. That difference matters.Jacob T. Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02575549001627195334noreply@blogger.com