Yesterday, I had a new kind of media experience: where the interviewer argued with me. It is one thing to be on a live tv or radio program and engage in a conversation with folks and find points of disagreement. It is another thing for a reporter to call up, asking for my opinion and then rebut. Especially when the rebuttal focuses on events in the 1840s and 1910s.
Let me explain. I was contacted by Alternet, which seems to be a left-wing news site to comment on US-Canadian relations which are most fraught thanks to Trump. I presented to the interviewer my take that, yes, things are very tense, that Canadian nationalism is activated, and Canadians, like most of the world, hate Trump.
The interviewer clearly had a narrative in mind and I was not going along with it. And to be sure, almost every interviewer has a narrative, but usually they don't spend a lot of time arguing why my point of view doesn't fit.
His point of view: the experience of the Zimmermann telegram plus the politics of the 1840s plus a Trump-encouraged successful secession by Alberta or Quebec would put US and Canada on the brink of war. Oh my. We first disagreed over whether the Z telegram caused by itself the US entry into WWI. Yes, I knew that this captured communication from the Germans to Mexican authorities where the former were encouraging the latter to join their side in WWI, promising to give the former Mexican lands back played a big role in finally pushing the US in the war. But I suggested that as far as I can recall, it wasn't just that.
Anyhow, the 1840s had Presidential candidate Polk promising to take Canadian territory (before there was a Canada) in the northwest part of the continent: 54'40" or fight referred to the future border of the US. The interviewer suggested that this was thus a continuity in US politics from then to Trump, as if the past 180 years hadn't happened. I argued that there was not much of a constituency these days for American northward expansion--that this was not even a key issue in far right politics, unlike opposing NATO in 2016.
The third part of the premise was also problematic--Alberta and Quebec are not going to secede. Indeed, Trump's support of their separatism, in true everything Trump touches turns to shit form, has helped reduce support for separatism. Indeed, I don't think Canadians would be referring to Albertan separatism as potentially treasonous without the Trump support. The polls show pretty clearly where all of this stands.
Together, the interviewer wanted to suggest that if the US efforts to support Albertan/Quebecois secession would be equivalent to the Zimmermann telegram, with Canada being the US and the US being German in the 21st century edition. I poo-pooed with extreme prejudice. Canada won't enter a war with the US if Alberta or Quebec secedes--secession in Canada is peaceful with only a couple of casualties AND the extreme power disparity will deter.
I also argued that Trump's Canada fixation is his and his alone. That those who seek to replace him as leader of the MAGA cult will fail if they focus on Canada as most Americans just don't care about Canada, not even the far right. The surveys have shown that while Trump has increased Republican distrust of Canada, that is still only a minority of Repubicans, and is not going to be the focus of an outbidding effort in future primaries.
And yet the guy kept wanting to rebut me. Oy.
I will have to try and see if I can remember even more batshit media experiences, but this one has to be near or at the top.

